Alright, this is going to be a long run episode of Dylan Bowman.

I don't know, you know, if you don't know who Dylan Bowman is, you must be living under a rock.

Because he's been winning Ultramarathons since I've been running them.

Pretty much the beginning to end.

And he also has a podcast called The Pillars Podcast.

We talk about that a little bit.

We talk about his involvement with Western States, things like that.

After our discussion was appointed to the Board of Western States.

So this is a guy that's involved in all things running as his finger on the pulse.

He's a pro.

He's in the media world.

So we did a lot of like inside baseball podcast discussions.

And I think you're really going to like it.

It's a really interesting guy.

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