All right, this is going to be a long run of me and my good friend,

nation member and member of Team Holly,

Trina Chileno.

Trina recently wrote a short little blur,

which I'll attach in the show notes about her complicated relationship with

their mother who recently passed away.

So in the second half, let's say the third,

the last third of the podcast, we get a little deep, we talk a little bit about

family and death and relationships and abuse and stuff like that.

So if you want to, you know, just kind of a warning that it gets pretty heavy at the end.

But that was a really good chat between a couple of friends about some stuff and life.

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