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Hello, you're very welcome to Longreads, a Jacobin podcast where we look in depth at political

topics and thinkers. My name is Daniel Finn and the features editor here at Jacobin,

I'll be presenting the show. We're listening to Fisquia Ilvento, one of the songs that came out of

the Italian resistance to Nazi occupation during the Second World War. The man who wrote it was killed

in battles soon afterwards. Italy's liberation was meant to have consigned fascism to history,

but eight decades later Italy has a prime minister from the far-right tradition.

Georgia Malone's party is directly descended from the diehard supporters of Benito Mussolini,

who reorganized after the war. I guess today is David Broder, David is Europe editor for Jacobin,

and the author of several books about Italian politics and history. His latest work,

Mussolini's grandchildren, has just been published by Pluto Press. This is the first part of a

two-part interview. Today we'll be looking at Italy's far-right from the fall of Mussolini

until the point when Georgia Malone entered the political stage. You can hear the second part

of David's interview about Malone's rise to power in our next episode. What was the political

character of the MSI and what role did it play in Italian politics during the Frist Republic?

Since coming to power, Georgia Malone has often recast the history of this party,

so she openly claims that her party is a continuation of the MSI,

but seeks to kind of putify its image and give a more conciliatory idea of its role in post-war

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