However, for us, science is still the search for truth.

And as far as we can understand it, Semotherium as a special proof of evolution is contradicted

by the facts.

But we always underline that factual counterarguments would be welcome.

ID, The Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.

Well, how did the giraffe get its long neck?

It sounds like a children's bedtime story, and it certainly has been that, but it's also a matter of serious scientific debate, and the debate continues today.

Welcome to ID the Future. I'm your host, Andrew McDermott. Helping us unpack this today is retired geneticist Dr. Wolf Eckert Lernick. In case you're not familiar with the work of

Wolf Eckert, let me share some details with you. Mathematician and ID theorist Granville-Soul

has described Dr. Lunig as an intelligent design pioneer. That's because for over

50 years, Dr. Lunig has been offering robust criticism of Darwinian theory and advocating for

intelligent design. Now, Wolf Eckhart went on to earn a PhD from the University of Bonn and

worked as a geneticist for over 25 years at the Max Planck Institute

for Plant Breeding Research in Cologne. He has continued throughout his career, and now in retirement,

to apply critical evaluation to the just-so stories of Darwinism and promote the evidence

for intelligent design in his writings, several of which have been

published in scientific journals. Dr. Lunick, welcome back.

Thank you very much for inviting me again and continuing the interesting questions on the origin

of the long neck juries. Yes, yes. The amazing animal with the long-neck is what we're talking about today.

And in part one, you unpacked what we might expect under a Darwinian framework regarding

the giraffe, and then what we actually see in the fossil record.

And you quoted, I think it was another scientist, saying the cardinal and dominant fact of the fossil record. And you quoted, I think it was another scientist, saying the cardinal

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