Welcome to the OnLibs podcast.

Our special guest today is Lucas gently.

Lucas, dude, thank you for finding some time to hang out with us today.

Of course, awesome to be here, Bill.

All right.

Give everybody the two-minute spiel on what you're doing today.

Yeah, I'm the CEO and one of the founders of a startup called Loft Labs.

We got the V-Cluster Open Source project started in 2021.

And we're essentially virtualizing the cloud-native stack, starting with the centerpiece, which is Kubernetes.

V-Cluster really allows you to spin up a whole bunch of Kubernetes clusters without having to spin up more of the heavyweight Kubernetes clusters that you know today by essentially virtualizing them.

And these virtual clusters, they are essentially just containers and you can run them on top of another Kubernetes cluster and spin them up in seconds, dispose of them again, right?

Just making it much, much more lightweight.

Similar to, you know, what a virtual machine may be to, you know, an actual physical hardware

machine.

That's kind of how we see the comparison.

Very heavyweight Kubernetes clusters.

We're taking them making them lightweight with virtualization.

Now, this podcast is going to be about you and your journey to get here, but I have some

questions first, which always happens to me.

So when I run Kubernetes on my local machine, I use a tech called Kind, Kubernetes in Docker.

So I get a sense that you've done something similar,

but instead of just running it locally,

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