This is The Run Through. I'm Nicole Phelps. Today I have Lueve creative directors, Jack McCullough, and Lazaro Hernandez with me in the studio. I've known these two for more than 20 years, and I'm so excited that they joined me for the podcast. We talk about the Lueve

Craft Prize, the winners of which were announced today, what they want to do long-term at

the brand, and how they're approaching the first menswear collection of their career.

Thank you for joining me. Welcome, Jack. Welcome, Lazaro. Thanks for having us. You just arrived in New York City from Paris last night. So you're a little jet lagged, and I thank you very much for joining. How does it feel to come back? You've been in Paris for a full year now? Yeah, we moved there last April, so it'll be a year next month. And we haven't been back as much as we thought we were going to be back. We came back for the first time last summer in August for a bit. I mean, beautiful, the one month off thing. I know. One of the perks of living in Europe is that one month off. I don't think we had ever had more than 10 days off, really, our entire career here in New York. So that's definitely

one of the perks. So we did August in New York, and then we came back for Christmas, and now,

that's it. This is our third time. How does it feel to become a Parisian? What is life like in Paris

for you? I mean, I'd hardly call us Parisians. We've got a lot of work to do with our French.

It's a bit of an issue. You know, everyone at the studio speaks English. You'll even be walking

down the hallway and see two French people speaking to each other in English. So it's not the

best place to learn the language. And, you know, we're there a big chunk of our days. So we're going to, we told ourselves after this last show that we're going to get a tutor, so we're going to work on that. We know the basics, but we've got a lot to do. Do you talk to, you know, your baristas in French when you go to the cafe? We try and then they respond in English. That happens to me when I'm embarrassed, too.

I know. No matter how good your French is, they catch that accent, and they just switch

over to English.

Yeah.

What makes you feel like you are making yourselves at home there?

I think we finally, it took us six months to find a place to live.

We had like three sublets. We were, yeah, three sublets in the course of six months to find a place to live. We had like three sublets. We were, yeah, three sublets

in the course of six months, like two months each. We couldn't find the right place. We wanted

like a really old Parisian sort of place, like really classic moldings and the whole thing.

But we wanted like brand new bathrooms and brand new kitchen, like all the modern things we're used to. So to find that balance was difficult, and we finally found one in

November we moved in. So, and then our stuff finally arrived, all our, because we moved out

out of our house in Brooklyn and brought all our stuff with us. So our stuff finally arrived. So then

it feels like home. I think it started feeling more like home once we like got all our things, all our books and our linens and our bed. Yeah. Are you left bank or right bank? Or left bank. We're right. We're at Rue de Luna Versaet. Like right on the border of six and seven. Next to Rue de Bach. Yeah. It's great. It's a lovely neighborhood. It's very central, but it's also very quiet. I think after living here, since we were 18 years old and, you know, dealing with the chaos of New York City, it's nice to be somewhere a bit quiet. It feels like a big shift. We could also walk to work, the offices across on the right bank. So we, you know, we walk over the river through the tooleries, like through Plas van Dome, usually, and then our office is right next to the opera. It takes us about half an hour to walk there. So when the weather's nice, we'll walk home at night, decompress. It's kind of lovely. And then you realize you're in Paris

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