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The Bunker

Locked Out: Is there any way to solve our prison crisis? – Ros Taylor talks to Danny Shaw

The Bunker

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News, Politics, Society & Culture, Government

4.6984 Ratings

🗓️ 1 November 2023

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Prisons across England and Wales are at breaking point. If the system does not change, experts say the number of people living in squalor in overcrowded facilities will only increase. What are the government’s plans to change the system? And can it be fixed? Danny Shaw is a crime, justice and policing commentator and ex-BBC Home Affairs Correspondent. He joins Ros Taylor in The Bunker. “What’s really bad is that the entire criminal justice system feels broken.” – Danny Shaw “I think both Labour and the Conservatives have had an arms race to be tough on criminal justice.” – Danny Shaw “There isn’t just a shortage of capacity, there just aren’t enough prison officers.” – Danny Shaw www.patreon.com/bunkercast Written and presented by Ros Taylor. Producer: Chris Jones. Audio production:Alex Rees. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. Music by Kenny Dickinson. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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photography but I turn it into earning a living at 60. I enrolled on a day course.

0:11.8

Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

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I loved going to college.

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after theirs with dental life. I'm Ros Taylor. Inhumane. That's how the chief

1:16.6

inspector of prisons described jails in England and Wales. Prison has got to be a punishment.

1:22.1

It needs to deter people from committing crimes and punish them when they have.

1:26.4

No one questions that. But Britain's jails are not just horrible, they're also overcrowded.

1:32.0

So what would happen if we stopped handing down short

1:35.4

jail sentences? Danny Shaw is a former BBC Home Affairs correspondent and now a

1:40.9

commentator on crime and justice.

1:43.0

Welcome to the bunker, Danny.

1:45.0

Hi, Ros, good to be here.

1:46.0

You've been covering crime and justice for quite a long time.

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