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Joe Marino of Lockdown Bills joined now by Jeff Lloyd, host of the

Lockdown Browns Podcast. Buddy of mind Jeff, welcome. Good to be doing this with you

man. Absolutely and for you Joe, you know, I want to congratulate you on everything.

You know, obviously a marriage, a daughter on the way.

You need any tips, you know where to go to.

It's going to be funny, you're the one the one now well I got to do it around this because if anybody doesn't know.

Joe and I years ago used to do shows together and it was always me it was like all right well

let me see if my wife's working and you know if the kids are going to be in bed and all of this type of stuff, and Joe's going to embark on this path, and I'm going to tell you, Joe, it's the greatest path you ever about to go down.

Yeah, well, I'll be, I'll be, you'll be on my list of advisors of people I can call and ask,

hey, what the heck do I do about this, man?

So I'll appreciate your friendship through that but we're here to and thank you for what you just said there I appreciate that man

We've had a lot of fun through the years doing doing a lot of talking together so we get to talk together here about the bills and the Browns and man what a year so far for Cleveland two and six very disappointing start to the season a lot of high hopes expectations for the Browns. Where do you point your fingers when you look at this

two and six start? I'd say there's a couple, if not several avenues to go to. Right now, I mean, you can't look at this coaching staff and not say, you know, if you want to say it's fair to say they're in over their head, well, you know, appearance, you got to be honest about it.

Freddie Kitchens, and there's just simple things.

It's, you know, like, you know, this play,

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