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Let's continue with Joe Goodberry of the Athletic.

You can hear part one of our conversation.

It was on Wednesday's podcast.

So go back and listen to that.

If you missed it.

And today, well, I want to talk defense.

And Joe and I did just that in part two of our conversation.

And I think a lot of people assume this defense is going to be better than it was a year ago.

Obviously, the biggest change is Paul Gunther, defensive

coordinator, moving on to Oakland and now defensive coordinator, Terrell Austin, who comes in

from Detroit, manning the defense, coaching the defense, and a lot of new faces. Let's start with

the defensive line, because I think very quickly the Bengals have turned their defensive line from a weakness

into one of their best strengths.

It might not be their best position group, but I certainly think it's up there.

What are your just general thoughts on the Bengals' defensive line and how they've transformed

it from even a year, year and a half ago to now?

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