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Welcome to Amped Up. This is your host, Ryan Knight,

and our guest today is Lloyd Chapman. Lloyd is the president of the American Small Business League.

Lloyd, welcome to Amped Up. Ryan, thanks for having me. I'm really thrilled about being on your show.

I love it. Fantastic. No, we've been looking,

I've been looking forward to this conversation all week, especially with everything that's going on.

Look, Lloyd, you have a long history of fighting for small businesses and against the elites in Washington.

You've used the Freedom of Information Act to uncover fraud and abuse in federal small business

contracting, which has seen thousands of contracts meant for small businesses, instead

going to Fortune 500 firms.

You have won over 100 Freedom of Information Act cases against the government, and your work is more important

than ever, as we are seeing small businesses being decimated by this pandemic and by the

lack of any real substantive relief from the government.

We're going to get into the government's failed response to the pandemic in the next segment,

but first I want to start off and just have you summarize for our

listeners what your investigations over the years have revealed about the systemic abuse in our

government's small business programs. All right. I've uncovered a level of corruption and fraud

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