Welcome to Lizness School, everybody. This is Season 2, Episode 6. I'm Liz Dolan. I'm the Liz

and Lizness. And I'm also joined by my millennial mentor, Leah Sutherland. Hello, Leah.

Hi, Liz. Delightful as always. Yes, yes. We can see each other. Listeners cannot see us.

And that's the way we like it.

Okay, first, I want to start with a reminder that all of season one of listeners school is an audio memoir of my year as a fellow at Stanford's Distinguished Careers Institute.

So if like me, if like me, you've ever wondered what it would be like to be an undergraduate again,

give a listen to that and then catch up with us here.

Because season two is us continuing our quest for lifelong learning and intergenerational exchange, correct?

That's exactly right.

Tis the reason for the season of the show, season two, is all about that.

Okay. So, Leah, we have two big things happening today. Our guest, Sue Fleischman, is living out a fantasy of yours. Sue left her heady corporate career to become a romance novelist. She even writes under a gnome de plume, which is Campbell Linden.

And that is a sexy name. And if you're going to be the author of sexy books, you need a sexy name.

And I, this is a fantasy of mine. I've talked about it for

years. So if you're a friend of mine listening, oh yeah. Oh yeah. I've been talking about it for

forever. So one of my lifelong dreams is to write a series of paperbacks that are only sold in grocery

stores. Oh, okay. That are only sold in grocery stores, which means they either have to be cheap thrillers or cheap romance. Yeah. And I can't wait. I've been, how do I get started? Where do I go? How do I pivot? Campbell Linden will tell me how to do that. I cannot wait. She made the pivot and it's working. She has a brand new book out this

week. I think it's like her fifth or something. So I have no books out this week. Campbell slash Sue has

the secret for you. I need her feedback and your feedback on my pen name, which I already have.

I have a Gmail address saved for it. But are you ready for this? Here's my proposal.

Lisa Southtown. Right. saved for it. But are you ready for this? Here's my proposal. Lisa, Southtown.

Is Southtown like, is that supposed to sound like the city side of town? So what are we getting at there with Southtown?

It mostly was just like, how can I make this almost exactly my name, but not at all my name?

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