all right lis wheeler has interviewed me at least a dozen times and so i wanted to

take revenge on her

she uh... you know her from uh... o anj was to have that show tipping point with

lis wheeler but now she's got her own podcast the lis wheeler show

uh... she's he is really one of the top-notch commentators and i'm delighted to

see her lizi there

i am thank you so much for having me and i have to say i'm a little worried if

you're going to seek revenge on me because i think the last time we talked

i made you publicly admit that i was right to something

you you were right i know because i i said you were being paranoid but nowadays

paranoid is actually

that

that exact right

that

no you are always a very hard line i have to say that

admire that what what's the

what's the central issue we're facing i mean if you had to say one thing if

you had to take one thing that you could change by snapping your fingers what

would have been

oh probably the breakdown of the family i think that's the root of i think

that's the root of a lot of the bad things that are happening in our culture

and i am a big believer that the culture war is central to

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