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You're listening to TV's Top 5, the Hollywood Reporter's TV podcast.

I'm Leslie Goldberg, the West Coast TV editor, and I'm joined by the great Dan Feinberg, THR's chief TV critic. Hey, Dan.

What is up, Leslie? Well, the world is not so great right now. Yep, I feel as if we probably had. I don't want to say we really and truly had a couple weeks or months where the world was better, but maybe there are gradations.

And so I am doing my best to record this podcast avoiding looking up at my television.

And I assume you are doing the same.

I'm not going to lie, I've got CNN on a mute in the background. As, as do I. And so we, you know, certainly our thoughts are on the people of Ukraine.

Our thoughts are with the LGBT community in Florida. Our thoughts are with the reasonable and

rational people of Texas, et cetera, et cetera.

And, you know, we understand that sometimes this podcast allows people to actually get distractions from some of those things.

And so there is value to that, but just know that we are also being distracted in many of the same ways that you guys are. And so

we're going to do our best to remain upbeat, even if it is not as easy as we would like.

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