Hello and welcome to Overthink.

The podcast where two philosophers put ideas in dialogue with everyday life.

I'm Ellie Anderson.

And I'm David Peña-Gusman.

I want to give a content warning for this episode.

We are going to be talking at length about rape, sexual violence, and incest, including some graphic descriptions.

The topic of today's episode is what's known as the pelico trial because the feminist philosopher

Manon Garcia has recently written a book on this called Living with Men, Reflections on the Pelico

Trial. So we will be talking with Manon in just a little bit

about the philosophical implications of this particular case. I know many of our listeners are probably

already familiar with this case, as it was pretty high profile earlier in 2025. However,

whether or not you know a bit about it already, David, you're going to tell us some facts about this so we can have a necessary background

before talking about the philosophical dimensions.

Yeah, and the details are really important not only for us to get a sense of what happened in the

trial and the case, but also because Manon-Garcia's book goes into great detail also about some of these

details and interprets them through a philosophical and feminist lens. And so the first thing to

note about the Pelico affair, as it's sometimes called in France, is that it has become one of

the most widely publicized and covered trials in French media in recent decades. It has been all over

the media, has been all over the news, and it has been followed by French people and others

also internationally with great interest because it has become this litmus test for thinking

about how the law responds to extreme forms of sexual violence.

Now, the case is also unique in a couple of ways. First and foremost, because the woman at the

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