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The Heidi St. John Podcast

Living in the Tension Between Grace and Truth with Lucas Miles

The Heidi St. John Podcast

Heidi St. John

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.93.7K Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

Pastor, author, and activist Lucas Miles joins me today for a candid conversation about the challenges facing today’s church. Lucas, author of Woke Jesus, brings a powerful perspective on how wokeness has infiltrated the pulpit and what it means for believers navigating these cultural shifts. We’re exploring the importance of standing firm on biblical truth while engaging a culture that often resists it. Whether you’re a church leader or a believer seeking to stay grounded in faith, this episode will encourage and equip you to think critically and biblically about the pressing issues of our time.

Lucas Miles | lucasmiles.org | nfluencechurch.org

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0:00.0

You guys know how passionate I am to see parents discipling their children in the Bible.

0:05.3

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0:09.6

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0:16.1

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0:21.4

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0:26.5

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0:32.6

Each week you'll walk through a simple five-step approach.

0:35.6

You'll look at a Bible story, check out the

0:37.6

context around it, see how it connects to the rest of scripture, set of the theology behind it,

0:43.2

and find out what it means for real life. It's designed for families, so you don't need five

0:48.5

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0:53.0

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0:55.1

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1:00.3

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1:06.2

amazing homeschooling tool. Hey, everyone. This is Heidi St. John. Welcome to the Heidi St. John podcast.

1:12.9

My guest today is my friend, pastor, an activist, and author Lucas Miles. He's a trusted

1:18.6

voice in the American church who has consistently addressed some of the most challenging issues

1:23.3

that we're facing today as a church. He is the author of woke Jesus, which is how I found out about him.

1:29.8

I am so excited to have him in the studio with me. We're going to have a great conversation today.

1:34.6

Before we jump into it, I want to thank the prime sponsor of the Heidi St. John podcast, the Functional Medical Institute.

1:40.9

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1:45.5

with them right now by going to homeschoolhealth.com. You guys, we're going to have a great

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