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I'm your host, Faranak Amity. In February, American President Donald Trump signed an executive order, which said that South

African people who are Afrikaners, descendants of mainly Dutch settlers who arrived in the 17th century could be admitted as refugees in the USA, as they were victims of unjust racial discrimination. President Trump's move to prioritize resettlement of white South African farmers reignited global controversy when he referenced widely disputed

clums. resettlement of white South African farmers reignited global controversy when he referenced

widely disputed claims of forced appropriation of land and what he has described as a genocide

against white farmers. Claire Mawisa is a reporter for BBC Africa I. She recently traveled to meet some farmers in South Africa.

I asked her how common violence and murders on farms are.

Murders on farms are not a common thing in South Africa. We understand that and we accept that the crime rate and the murder rate in South Africa is very high.

So around 60 people in South Africa are murdered on a daily basis.

And just to give you some stats is that from October 24, so last year October to March this year, there were 18 murders

on farms, that's 1-8, and 16 of those murder victims were black, and only two were white.

So it puts in perspective that most of the murders and most of the crime that's

happening in South Africa is happening in urban areas and not in rural areas where these farmers

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