And he said, I understand what you're really trying to do. You want us to know about Jesus. I get it.

But you need to find a different way to say it because you're going to get yourself killed.

That started us on a huge journey of realizing what we thought was the gospel was not the gospel.

Welcome, everybody.

This is Simon Gilbeau with Inspired.

Inspired, if you're new to us,

it's all about meeting different people

from across the spectrum of a human experience

that've got great stories to inspire and stir our faith.

I'm fed up of being relentlessly bombarded

the media by a negative narrative that just induces fear and anxiety our faith. I'm fed up of being relentlessly bombarded the media by a negative narrative

that just induces fear and anxiety and depression. And what we need is to, yeah, to hear from people

that have experienced God. And in an hour's time, I've got no doubt that you're going to leave

inspired because we got with us the wonderful Donna Winship. Welcome, Donna. Yeah, thank you for having me,

Simon. I'm thrilled to be here. So good to have you. So Matt Stott is a dear friend of mine,

and you appeared on his brilliant podcast through Frontiers, at Royal Mission, and I heard the stories.

I was just totally beautifully edified and blown away by them. So Donna and husband Jamie are co-founders

of Identity Exchange, which is basically looking about living fearlessly and one's true. and blown away by them. So Donna and husband Jamie are co-founders of identity exchange,

which is basically looking about living fearlessly and one's true identity. And she spent

25 years plus raising her family in Southeast Asia and lots of crazy stories. So listen,

I'm aware we're time constrained. So let's just get straight in there, Donna. So Jewish heritage, tell us about your background.

Yeah, I was born and raised in America in the southeast part of the United States,

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