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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm

Oskrepenson.

For nearly two decades, Net Zero has sat at the heart of Britain's policy agenda.

Once framed as a clear moral imperative, it saw political parties promising to slash carbon emissions

and ministers racing to position the UK as a leader on the international stage.

But as economic pressures and global instability mount, that consensus is beginning to fray.

Now, in this very special episode of the podcast, you will be hearing an extract from a debate

that we staged earlier in this week titled the Net Zero debate, Bin It or Back It.

You'll be hearing from those on opposing sides of this debate.

Lord Lily and journalist Liam Halligan will be making the case for

the sceptics and Bob Ward of the influential Grantham Research Institute on climate change and

environment, as well as Shahara Ali, former deputy leader of the Green Party, will be making the case

for the defence. This debate was chaired by our assistant editor Isabel Hardman,

and we pick up the discussion after they've each made their opening statements and begin to

probe holes in each other's arguments. I hope you enjoy.

Well, thank you. That's the first section of our debate. All of our speakers have made their

opening arguments. The cases have been made. And now it's time to allow each side to expose the

weaknesses in their opponent's arguments. And they're going to go head to head as they take it

and turns to debate each other across the floor. I'm just going to open by turning to Bob and Sharah.

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