Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Oskredminton.

On Wednesday, the Spectator hosted what I think I'm right in saying is the first ever head-to-head debate between members of the Conservative Party and Reform UK.

Nick Timothy and Claire Cotinio took on

Danny Kruger and Matt Goodwin to see which party truly represents the future of the right.

Now, the event was chaired by our assistant editor, Isabel Hardman, and in this podcast you will hear

a section of their discussion where they consider the likelihood of an electoral pact,

the difference between each party's approach to the

economy and net zero and many other things. To find out more about the events we're staging over

the rest of the year, go to spectator.com.uk forward slash events and I hope you enjoy the podcast.

So round two. We've heard from our four, and now it's time for the fight on the

right to get a bit scrappier, possibly with some hurty words to quote Claire.

Before we get down to that, I'm just going to kick off this, this to and fro between the

four of you, by asking something that I know a lot of people who've

been coming here this evening are asking, which is, why can't you all just get on? Because if you,

don't worry, it's not going to be like a Lib Dem conference where you're sort of talking about hugging each other.

But it is a valid question because actually, if you on the right are so split that you allow your opponents on the left to win,

then what is the point of both of your parties?

And I go to, come to Nick first because you kicked off the evening speaking and then give

all the the speakers a chance to respond when I say why can't you just get on I don't just mean

why don't you come back together and realise that actually you're just really good friends but

also would you work together in coalition but we actually do get on which which is, I think Danny said so.

Danny is a friend, Matt is a friend.

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