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Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

LIVE PANEL: "Who Really Influences Our Politicians?" with Senators Bridget McKenzie & David Pocock, and MP's Allegra Spender & Helen Haines

Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Josh Szeps

Society & Culture, Comedy Interviews, Self-improvement, Comedy, Education

4.5905 Ratings

🗓️ 9 November 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

What happens when you put politicians in a room and ask them to talk honestly about who really influences their decisions?

This bonus episode is a live recording from a one-of-a-kind gala in Canberra dreamed up by social-media firebrand (and friend of the show) Punters Politics. Instead of corporations buying access to ministers, everyday Australians bought the tables, and the proceeds went toward hiring a lobbyist to represent the public for a change.

Josh hosted the flagship conversation of the night, joined by Senator Bridget McKenzie, Senator David Pocock, MP Allegra Spender and later MP Helen Haines, to tackle the taboo topic at the heart of Australian politics: how money, access and cosy fundraising circuits shape the worldviews of the people writing our laws.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Giday, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Something special for you

0:08.0

today, a live recording of a one-of-a-kind event. It is one of the most uncomfortable and

0:15.8

dangerous questions in politics, not what policies, particular politicians or political parties,

0:23.8

advocate, but why they advocate for them and whether or not their worldviews are at least

0:29.3

in part shaped by wealthy, well-connected, powerful people who spend their money and time and

0:36.4

capital on trying to persuade politicians to their way of

0:39.5

seeing the world. In Australia, and I'm sure elsewhere, political parties raise enormous amounts

0:46.4

of money from their fundraising bodies which are technically not part of the government.

0:53.6

But of course, they run these events like big

0:55.9

fundraising dinners at which people with tons of money, mainly from corporations, can buy a

1:01.7

table or even an annual subscription and be guaranteed to be sitting next to and meeting with

1:07.8

and mingling with ministers of the government.

1:11.7

None of this has to be reported because technically they're not meeting with those people in

1:15.9

their ministerial capacity.

1:17.1

They're just meeting with them as human beings who happen to be a fundraiser.

1:20.9

And the influence of corporations on politicians on the way that they might vote,

1:25.7

the way they might think about the stakes in

1:27.6

major decisions that they have to make on regulating mining companies or airlines or devising

1:33.4

taxation or whatever is, needless to say, skewed because of this arrangement. So a gentleman

1:41.1

who goes by the name online of punters's politics, who is a fabulous guy,

1:46.5

and I should explain to non-Australians, punter in Australia does not mean or does not only mean

1:51.1

a gambler.

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