Live: Michael Lewis and Maya Shankar on "The Other Side of Change"
Against the Rules with Michael Lewis
Pushkin Industries
4.4 • 9.9K Ratings
🗓️ 27 January 2026
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
Michael Lewis joins his friend and fellow Pushkin podcaster Maya Shankar (host of A Slight Change of Plans) for a live conversation in San Francisco. They discuss her new book in a candid conversation about identity, loss, and what happens when the thing that once defined you falls away.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:02.5 | Guaranteed Human. |
| 0:04.0 | There are moments in each of our lives that seem to change everything. |
| 0:08.3 | An unexpected diagnosis, the sudden end of a relationship, the loss of a job. |
| 0:13.4 | As our lives fear off course, it can feel like time is dividing into a before and an after. |
| 0:19.5 | I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist, |
| 0:22.6 | and my new book, The Other Side of Change, |
| 0:25.3 | Who We Become When Life Makes Other Plans, |
| 0:28.0 | is all about how we navigate these inflection points. |
| 0:31.2 | The other side of change pairs singular real-life stories |
| 0:34.4 | with scientific insights to help us find meaning in the tumult of change. |
| 0:39.3 | What if we saw the hardest moments in our lives, not simply as something to endure, |
| 0:44.1 | but as an opportunity to reimagine who we can be? |
| 0:47.4 | I'm thrilled to share that booklist gave The Other Side of Change one of its coveted starred |
| 0:52.4 | reviews, saying, quote, it's impossible not to be moved. The other side of change, one of its coveted starred reviews, saying, quote, it's impossible not to be moved. |
| 0:56.8 | The other side of change is out now. Get your copy today wherever you like to buy books. Pushkin. |
| 1:11.0 | Pushkin. |
| 1:11.0 | Hey everyone. It's me, Maya. I recently had the pleasure of launching my new book, The Other Side of Change, with literary royalty, Michael Lewis. Michael, it seems, knows only how to write bestsellers that also tend to get turned into big budget movies like Moneyball, the Big Short, and the Blindside. |
| 1:46.2 | He's a star, through and through. Needless to say, I was honored that he wanted to host this |
| 1:52.2 | conversation. I've known Michael for over a decade, and so when we took our seats in front of a live |
| 1:57.9 | audience in San Francisco, we immediately defaulted to our normal state |
| 2:02.4 | when hanging out, ribbing one another, joking, and also going deep. The conversation you're |
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