Mary Christmas and Happy New Year. Welcome to the last advisory opinions of 2021. And we thought

that we would do something special. We've been saving this one up. This was Sarah Unleashed

at the Federalist Society Convention where she went and talked to, I believe the technical

term is Boku Judges, many federal judges. And so Sarah, give us a taste of what you're about to hear.

You know what? I'm going to leave who the judges are a surprise. First of all, we've got a dozen,

a dozen judges of all stripes. We've got State Supreme Court, Federal District Court,

lots of appellate circuit court judges don't you worry. And we touch on everything. I mean,

we've got a little law in there, no question. But we've also got the designated hitter rule,

which is kind of still law when you think about it. That's law. Yeah, we've got singing, bourbon,

and guns. The most annoying thing about circuit judges according to a district court judge.

I can't wait to hear that. I mean, everything you could want. So I think this is a good mix of,

well, it's mostly fun. I was going to say fun and serious, but there's not that much serious about it.

Well, and this is a great reminder of a theme that we constantly hit at advisory opinions, which is judges are people too.

And you're going to hear that live and in person. So let's roll, let's roll the tapes, Sarah.

We're here with the judge Chad Radler of the six circuit. It's not Radler, guys. It's Radler. So if

you're an advocate, if you're a law student interviewing to clerk, I just want to emphasize to you that you're all mispronouncing it.

It's Radler. Judge Radler is going to talk to us about a pet peeve. Is that a fair fair pet peeve?

Waiver versus a forfeiture judge. What's the difference? Thank you, Sarah. Well, first let me say congratulations on the podcast.

Mike Clerks without my instruction regularly listen. And if I don't get the listen, they'll report back on what happened during

that day's session. So thank you for doing it. Thank you for informing the next generation of lawyers.

Waiver versus forfeiture is an issue that comes up quite frequently and especially with New Clerks coming in every year.

We have to relearn sort of the basics of it. The terms get used interchangeably, but they're actually quite different.

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