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Hey, folks, this is Jackie. I'm the producer of the Josh Marshall podcast featuring Kate Riga.

What you're about to hear is our live show recorded on Thursday, November 6, 2025.

Josh and Kate briefly touch on the government shutdown, and so I wanted to note that their

conversation happened before Sunday's vote that put Congress on track to reopen the government.

We'll have more coverage of the shutdown and its resolution soon.

Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. Hi, this is Josh Marshall, and this is the Josh Marshall podcast featuring Kate Riga.

This is our third live edition of our podcast. We are here at the 25th anniversary event, which if you were listening to this on the podcast as opposed to here,

we just had this panel about the history of TPM, which I loved.

I loved.

And obviously I have a certain bias and personal interest in the matter.

But it was I really, I so appreciated what our current staff members and the alums did.

It really kind of brought things together for me in a way that I really enjoyed. I hope you did too. Before we get

into the regular podcast stuff, I want to say somewhat in regards to, you know, that event we

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