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All is well, but we are happily joined by the New World's political editor, James Ball, all the way from Liverpool.

Hello, James. How's it going? Delighted to be here. So just had to get rid of one of the bats briefly to

step in. And the reason, of course, that you're in Liverpool is that you are at the Labour Party

conference and you've just sat through Kirstarmer's speech.

How did you rate it?

I mean, for parts of it, I was almost awake.

It was a 55 minute speech, but it was the speech of two halves, to say the least.

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