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And then who would be the person in your department who would send those out for testing?

Well, any detective or officer could send anything out for testing.

Okay, it doesn't have to be the case agent.

It doesn't have to be, no.

So you being the person who actually extracted them from the vehicle,

you could say, hey, let's test these.

I could, yes. And you did not? No additional testing was done, hey, let's test these. I could, yes.

And you did not?

No additional testing was done, no, that's correct.

And why not, why did you not request additional testing?

I don't know what wasn't anything that came up for me to do.

So were you just under the impression that it was an actual bullet hole?

I don't know. Can you rephrase your question?

So you didn't test those because you assumed that it was a bullet hole and those were fragments from a bullet?

The damage on the vehicle was consistent with a penetration mark from a firearm in a bullet.

The fragments located also appeared consistent to me with fragments from a bullet.

That's my observation.

Could it have been from any other thing?

Yes, it's possible.

Like, could you have hit it with a tire iron?

Hit what with a tire iron?

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