So, it's great being here at the NYU Law Forum. So, this is like the end of a little

mini tour that Mary and I have done.

That's so many when you think about how many miles we've traveled out to Texas.

That's true. I couldn't say 90 seconds to why. We went all the way to the Upper East Side,

which does feel like another world. So, yeah, we went to the Texas Tribune Festival

and then we went to the 96th Street Y, but also we were at Georgetown where Mary teaches.

My home turf.

So, anyway, so it's really great to be here at the NYU Law Forum. I think all of you

probably know me, but Mary, who has come here for various panels and also has graciously

come and taught, I keep them putting the bite on you, yes, exactly.

So, Mary has this glittering career. Former DOJ was a prosecutor for many years doing

sex trafficking cases, a whole variety of everything you do in DC in the US Attorney's Office, which

is an unusual office because it's federal and state.

And then did a lot of national security work. And I think that's how we really first

interacted.

Yes, because I think I was headed... Well, actually, when I was criminal division chief,

and we had some pretty significant national security cases, like the attack on the

emission in Benghazi, Libya, pretty significant national security case. So, yeah, you were...

Just a little, a little, a little case, as a general counsel.

And now, Mary does really great work at ICAP, bringing cases such as suing domestic terrorist

gangs. That's my term, I'm not necessarily yours.

A local private militias, that's what I call them.

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