It's a time of unrest, Vietnam, Suez, the Bay of Pigs, and for the embattled CIA, there's a whole world of turmoil ahead.

Under the desk.

No.

Get under you.

I'm Kim Ketrao, back with a new series of Central Intelligence, the hit drama podcast that tells the history of the CIA from the inside out.

We have to stay in the background.

Starring Ed Harris, Johnny Flynn and me, Kim Cottrell.

Central Intelligence.

Listen on BBC Sounds.

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Hello, Lucy here, producer of the coming storm on BBC Radio 4.

Gabriel and I were at the Hay Festival here in the UK recently.

It's an annual literature and arts gathering.

And we were joined on a very stormy day by the author Horatio Claire.

And we discussed the second series, Trump's new administration,

and how the storm seems to be progressing in America in 2025.

Hope you enjoy.

So please welcome to the stage, the team behind the program

and your host for this session, Horatio Claire.

Thank you very much. Can you hear me? Right, there we go.

So can you hear me?

Ladies and gentlemen, and those who identify as neither.

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