It is far superior to have candidates of color talking on message about the issues they care about

to all the people in the coalition that it is basically having white people performing

So I can't really go I'm going to argue against yeah, I see I am hotter taking you realize

Hello and welcome to Wise is happening with me your host Chris Hayes

Well, it's a very very special episode of Wise is happening it's a special episode because it is our very first

Live recording

Obviously, I'm not recording this live right now. I'm recording this right now. I mean

What does that mean even philosophically the live record? I guess every recording is live because you record it when it's happening

But we recorded today's conversation at congregation Beth Elohim

Which is a remarkable synagogue in Park Slope in Brooklyn. We did it with random house

With one of their biggest authors these days my dear friend the one the only Tana Hossi Coats

Tana Hossi and I I'm trying I was trying to think as I was preparing this intro

Of when it was that I met Tana Hossi and I think

We met online because I read his work and he read some my work and we started exchanging emails

And over time we became colleagues and friends and we were the kind of people that would send each other drafts of things

We were writing Tana Hossi would text me a question about something that he was thinking about as he was working on an essay

And I would text him back and then he would say it maybe it's easier if we talk on the phone

And then we top on the phone and it's been a great delight to watch

The arc of his career

Because I think he is one of the most important nonfiction writers in America and that's not my judgment

He's one like every possible award MacArthur Genius. I think he's got a national book award

I think he's a Pulitzer finalist I could go on and on and on

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