We're all citizens of a country in which people in the highest ranking political positions in the country can lie

regularly, flagrantly get caught even about humiliatingly small and self-serving things and

Nothing happens because of it and that's our life now. That's not just the life of Donald Trump and the life of Kirsten Nielsen and all these people. That's our lives

Hello, and welcome to Wise is happening with me your host her say

Well, this one's sort of a weird one or a hard one or a I know it's not a weird or hard

It's awesome, but I usually sit down and record the intro to the podcast and it's like

Introducing you to some set of concepts or a problem or an intellectual story or a piece of history

that we're gonna discuss and

Making sure that you the listener are equipped with the necessary context

To get what we're gonna get into but today's guest doesn't I mean it's a cliche, but really needs no introduction

Her name is Rachel Maddo you

Most likely have heard of her. She is well. She's my very dear friend first of all

She hosts the 9 p.m. Show on MSNBC right after-minute 8 and we both work very hard in our little offices where we make our shows every day

But we do get to see each other through the television screen at that handoff at 8.59

30 or 9

A clock 24 seconds if I'm running late and feeling super guilty and then like obsessed over

As I go home

I get to see Rachel Maddo in what we call in cable news business the throw the throws when I say hey Rachel

Rachel Maddo starts right now

So I've been wanting to talk to her in the podcast for a while and I am not alone because we take emails at

The with pod at gmail.com the inbox faithfully maintained by one Tiffany champion and

We have been getting lots of requests to talk to Rachel Maddo because everyone wants to talk to Rachel Maddo and hear Rachel Maddo and watch

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