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🗓️ 19 December 2025
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Liv reads the final book of Statius' Thebaid, translated by JH Mozley. The brothers of Thebes, Eteocles and Polynices, are dead. Their wives and sisters want to bury them, but (unfortunately!) they need the king of Athens, Theseus, to make it happen. Submit to the Q&A at mythsbaby.com/questions and get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. I try to provide direct warnings when there is reference to anything with overtly traumatic themes but be aware that Greek mythology regularly features assault, death, and many other potentially triggering events.
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| 1:22.9 | Music description. Thanks and happy listening. Hello, this is let's talk about myths, baby, and I am your host, the original one, here with, while we're here with the final reading episode of Statius's Thebiad. |
| 1:29.3 | And, and wow, wow, because Theseus is coming in. |
| 1:37.8 | This is where we're getting, this is the perfect time for this final reminder about like kind of where this epic comes from. Because this is an epic written by a Roman period author about a iconically Greek myth. The kind of Greek myth that sort of has a similar infamy to the Trojan War, right? |
| 1:56.9 | Like this is the Battle of Thebes, the Seven against Thebes, these two brothers fighting each other for this kingdom, which has just gone through the whole Oedipus and Jocasta situation and everything else. |
| 2:12.8 | And so this myth is about as like historically mythologized, you know, in that way that the ancient |
| 2:20.1 | Greeks understood their, their mythos to be, you know, historical as well. So this is one of those |
| 2:29.5 | things. But then at the same time, this version of it, because it probably existed in countless other forms |
| 2:35.8 | long before, but they are lost to us outside of the Greek plays. We only have the Greek plays about |
| 2:40.6 | this, this sort of shared mythos of Thebes and these kings. And so we're talking about this |
| 2:47.7 | piece that is then written like, I don't know, 700 or so years after |
| 2:52.0 | the originating mythos is being developed and still probably 500 or so years after the plays, |
| 3:00.2 | which are the surviving Greek mythos that we have. And so what Staceous is able to work with is like |
| 3:07.2 | a thousand years of, of Theban kind of |
| 3:11.6 | mythos and Greek mythos. And so what we end up getting is this story that like mostly |
| 3:18.7 | resembles the myths that we have, but then simultaneously includes this ending, which we're going to get |
| 3:23.9 | to, which features Theseus, which we're going to get to, |
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