I'm Gretchen Rubin and this is a little happier. Recently I went to work it, a podcasting conference

in Los Angeles and I attended a panel where the brilliant Anna Sale, who is the host of the

excellent podcast called Death Sex and Money, interviewed Nisi Nash, an American comedian and

actor who is super, super funny. The subject of the conversation was life in our 20s and Anna

Sale asked Nisi Nash about the challenges that Nisi Nash had faced in her 20s as she was trying

to make it in Hollywood. For one thing a big challenge was that she was already married and

had three young children. So you know that makes it tough if you're trying to make it in Hollywood.

Nisi Nash explained that there were three words that she lived by as she was pursuing this aim.

She promised herself that she would do whatever it took to succeed no matter what.

And here's Anna Sale talking to Nisi Nash about no matter what.

My plan A was to be an actor. My plan B was to make that plan A word.

So there were three words that I began to live by no matter what. At four o'clock and all the

kids got out at three, what did I have to do? Pack them all up, take them to the casting office,

put them in the corner, get the bop-op, where's the bop-op, find the bop-op, you get a color in

books, sit down, where's the ground crackest, you know, you get in the summer camp?

And make the corner of the casting office into a preschool. Yeah.

No matter what. That's amazing. I love that. Thank you.

I'm Gretchen Rubin and I hope this makes your week a little happier.