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Lithium Valley

Big Picture Science

Big Picture Science

Science, Technology

4.6 • 986 Ratings

🗓️ 16 June 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

The discovery of a massive amount of lithium under the Salton Sea could make the U.S. lithium independent. The metal is key for batteries in electric vehicles and solar panels. But the area is also a delicate ecosystem. We go to southern California to hear what hangs in the balance of the ballooning lithium industry, and also how we extract other crucial substances  – such as sand, copper and iron– and turn them into semiconductors, circuitry and other products upon which the modern world depends. Guests: Ed Conway – economics and data editor of Sky News and columnist for the Times in London.  He’s the author of “Material World, The Six Raw Materials that Shape Modern Civilization“. Frank Ruiz – Audubon California Salton Sea Program Director.  Michael McKibben – Geologist, University of California, Riverside.  DescripciĂłn en Español Featuring music by Dewey Dellay and Jun Miyake Originally aired February 19, 2024 You can get early access to ad-free versions of every episode by joining us on Patreon. Thanks for your support! Big Picture Science is part of the Airwave Media podcast network. Please contact [email protected] to inquire about advertising on Big Picture Science. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A stunning diversity of birds flock to this rare wetland to eat and rest.

0:57.0

Snow geese, snowy egrets, avocets, plovers, some are residents, but others come to recharge before continuing their long migratory flights.

1:01.0

I'm at the Sunny Bono National Wildlife Refuge.

1:04.0

The sandy edge here is the southern part of the Salton Sea

1:08.0

in Southern California.

1:10.0

A body of water rapidly evaporating

1:12.6

and so increasingly saline as a result that the once abundant fish population is gone.

1:18.6

The history of the Salton Sea is fascinating, but it is what's happening now that is making news.

1:24.6

Close to where I stand, near with the geese, the snowy eagrits, and the remarkable

1:29.6

looking curlews with their long curved bills, carefully lift their feet through the sand,

1:35.4

is a mineral source that is key for our renewable energy future. That's because recently,

1:41.0

under the sea, industry scientists discovered a massive amount of a soft,

1:46.0

silvery white metal that we desperately need to run our mobile phones and electric vehicles.

1:52.0

The birds that flock here come for the water bugs, but the engineers are coming for lithium.

2:00.0

Lithium is one material that's crucial for building the modern world.

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