Welcome to Literary Friction. I'm Octavia Bright here with my co-host Carrie Plitt. Hi Carrie. How you doing?

I'm doing really well. I'm a little over-caffeinated, as seems to happen when we record the show. I think I drink three cups of coffee

in anticipation and then I get really jittery and sort of excited. But I'm hoping it's productive.

You're super rev, and I love it. How are you doing? I'm good. I'm actually just responding to your

caffeinated energy. It's making me feel very laid back and kind of luxurious. That's funny because I don't

feel laid back. I'm glad I'm having

that effect on you. We'll bounce back and forth. So everyone, welcome. This is Minnesota 4,

which is amazing. The ball keeps rolling. We're going to keep rolling with it. So thank you for listening.

And thanks for all your really lovely feedback about these little

little things that we're doing it. It makes us very happy to hear. Yeah, it really does. So the format for

these minisodes for those of you who haven't listened yet is for the next half hourish, we're going

to have a more informal chat about books and anything else that might come up. Probably answer a question

as we're going to do today. And also, after that,

recommend some other cultural things that we've enjoyed lately with the usual musical interludes

chosen by Eddie, of course. Of course. And after the success of last month's Minnesota,

which was about literary snobbery, today we're going to talk about guilty pleasures. So

stick around for all kinds

of secrets and revelations. Minnesota 3 was all about the way books and even just reading

as a pastime are used as cultural capital and a shorthand for saying things about our identities.

We talked about literary

snobbery. We talked about judging other people by what they read. And this all seemed to

resonate with a lot of you. So now we want to turn that gaze inwards and think about guilty

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