You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan concludes a conversation with Dr. Keith Anderson, president of the Seattle

School of Theology and Psychology, about Keith's new book, A Spirituality of Listening.

Dan and Keith talk about how authentic spirituality will always invite the language of lament,

and the hope of finding God even in the midst of pain.

Well, I am so grateful that I was able to rope our president, Keith Anderson,

into another conversation on his new book,

A Spirituality of Listening, Living What We Hear.

And Keith, where we left off was in the kind of shaman of Deuteronomy 6,

the listen, listen, and attend to the reality that our God is one and in that sense that he's revealing himself.

What I wanted to make sure that we did talk a bit more about is your understanding of lament,

what it means for us to engage those issues that often

don't get heard as the place of God. Lament is often we think of as the acknowledgement

of God's absconding, the deus absconditis,

God who has left us in the midst of our pain,

in the midst of our loss or confusion.

So take us into your thoughts about lament

and where it takes us with regard to hearing God.

Let me take a bit out of the book and describe to you.

My hope is that many of the people who are listening to this podcast have been in our building, but we have the privilege at this time in our history of housing our school in what is a 110-year-old building on the waterfront of Seattle.

It started as the Shlopek Fishery across the street in what is now a four-star hotel.

That was the pier where the fish came in, and our building was the smoker and the cold storage

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