Listener Reaction: Matthew Fenner vs. Ted Bell (Bonus)

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Javier Leiva

Society & Culture, True Crime, Technology

4.7 • 2.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 December 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

This bonus episode features Kim, a Patreon supporter who connected with the Matthew Fenner story...but not for the reasons you might expect. Kim's been through the criminal justice system herself. She was prosecuted, sentenced, and spent two years in jail. The conversation goes to some unexpected places. Kim discusses how small-town politics can impact a case in ways that seem backward. We talk about what jail was really like, why she now advocates for criminal justice reform, how the FBI got involved with her ex-husband's January 6th case, and how Word of Faith Fellowship's political connections might reach all the way to the White House. --- This is part of a new series of listener conversations about recent episodes. Want to be part of it? Support PRETEND on Patreon or PRETEND+ on Apple Podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:34.8	Okay.
0:35.8	slash Spotify.
0:41.0	Hey. at Shopify.com.uk.uk slash Spotify. Hey guys, it's me, Javier.
0:43.1	I am trying out this new thing where I interview a Patreon supporter
0:46.9	and talk to them about the latest episode.
0:50.0	In this case, it's the Matthew Fenner versus Ted Bell
0:53.2	episode of the Word of Faith Fellowship.
0:55.9	And so I asked on Patreon if anybody wanted to talk with me, and I got a message from Kim.
1:03.1	I had no idea what we were going to talk about, but the result is a fascinating conversation.
1:08.4	I hope you enjoy it too.
1:11.2	The reason I found this particular episode interesting is the legal angle and the fact that
1:18.3	his involvement with the DA and the fact that this was a small town case because I myself
1:23.4	have a background in the criminal system, the criminal justice system, because I actually spent
1:29.6	two years in jail. But I was actually on the end of being prosecuted, whereas, of course, he's
1:36.4	trying to get prosecution. And I had quite an experience during that process. But I was really taken with his frustration and his ongoing frustration and trying to get his case tried and getting justice.
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