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🗓️ 1 May 2025
⏱️ 40 minutes
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A listener wrote to us with a heartbreaking question: What can I say to my friend who won’t leave an abuser? Is there anything I can say to get through to her?
We bring on survivor Ashley Trujillo from Betrayal Season 2, who’s faced a similar choice, and therapist Jessica Baum to unpack the trauma, denial, and deep attachment that can keep people stuck.
For more on attachment and healing, check out Jessica Baum’s book "Anxiously Attached, Becoming More Secure in Life and Love.”
If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at [email protected] and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod
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0:00.0 | Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1. |
0:09.1 | Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil. |
0:13.7 | I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known. |
0:18.5 | At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer. |
0:20.9 | Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. |
0:30.4 | I'm Soledad O'Brien, and on my new true crime podcast, Murder on the Tooth Path, I'm taking |
0:36.4 | you back to 1964 to the cold case of artist Mary |
0:40.8 | Pinch O' Meyer. She had been shot twice in the head and in the back. It turns out Mary was connected |
0:47.5 | to a very powerful man. I pledge you that we shall neither commit nor provoke aggression. |
0:55.0 | John F. Kennedy. |
0:56.9 | Listen to Murder on the Toothpatch with Soledad O'Brien on the I-HeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, |
1:02.9 | or wherever you get your podcast. |
1:10.5 | One of the last things I said to her was, when you go into that courtroom, you have to pick a side to sit on. |
1:18.6 | You can sit with your daughter or you can sit with your husband. |
1:23.3 | And I hope that you're able to make the right choice. |
1:39.4 | Yeah. And I hope that you're able to make the right choice. I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is a special bonus episode of betrayal. |
1:43.3 | Thank you. Andrea Gunning, and this is a special bonus episode of betrayal. |
1:53.4 | A few months ago, we got an email from a listener that stood out to our team. We're going to call this listener Elizabeth. She had watched Season 2 of Betrayal on Hulu, which tells the |
1:59.5 | story of a stepdaughter that was violated by |
2:01.9 | her stepfather. Elizabeth wrote to us because the same thing was playing out in her own life, |
2:07.9 | or rather, in her best friend's life. |
2:13.3 | Elizabeth and her friend will call her Sarah have been close for 13 years. They used to live in the |
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