There's a lot going on right now.

Mounting economic inequality, threats to democracy, environmental disaster, the sour stench of chaos in the air.

I'm Brooke Gladstone, host of WNYC's On the Media.

Want to understand the reasons and the meanings of the narratives that led us here and maybe how to head them off at the

pass, that's on the media's specialty. Take a listen wherever you get your podcasts.

Hello, just listeners. There is a new podcast I think you'd like. In fact, I did an interview

with Leon Nefok, my friend, and one of the greatest podcasters out there.

We're talking about his new podcast, Think Twice, Michael Jackson.

Leon and Jay Smooth have put together an exhaustive, fantastic, fascinating, and new look at the MJ story. In the 10-part narrative series, they explore

the enigma of Michael Jackson's persona. They explore the complexities that makes him seemingly

uncancellable through dozens of original interviews with people who watch the Michael Jackson story

unfold firsthand, Think Twice offers a new

perspective on the art and the artist. It is a bona fide work of journalism. You'll get to know

Michael Jackson through his extraordinary life and groundbreaking music and contemplate the contentious

legacy he left behind. It's all there. Think Twice examines it all. I shall now play a clip from Think Twice. And while you are listening, follow Think Twice wherever you get your podcast or you can binge the entire series, ad free on Audible or the Amazon Music app.

Oh, Ray. Good evening. I'm Kim Longstocking.

And I'm Douglas E. Doug.

The comedian Doug E. Doug was having a huge year when he appeared as a presenter at the NWACP Image Awards in January of 1994.

Doug was just 23 years old.

One can argue I was at the height of my career

because that's the reason why they invited me.

Cool Runners had come out.

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