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Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Listen Again: Why you don’t need a purpose to be creative with Elizabeth Gilbert

Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Everything Happens Studios

Health & Fitness, Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture

4.84.7K Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

The indomitable Liz Gilbert (of EAT, PRAY, LOVE fame) joins Kate for a live conversation on the courage to create. Listen as Liz helps us expose our exhausting American need to make everything useful and lets us embrace beauty as a way of really living. In this episode, Kate and Liz discuss: Why we stop ourselves from being creative How we are all capable of making anything (badly! medium-well!) But how our creativity is best if it is for no reason whatsoever (not for impact or legacy or money or acknowledgement) How curiosity quiets fear and control

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about coexisting in American politics, our families, and in one Oklahoma school district.

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1:03.4

I'm Kate Bowler, and this is Everything Happens.

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One day we're kids who jump and play and imagine and dream.

1:14.6

We build worlds that we live inside.

1:18.6

Sand castles and our own comic books, or we finger paint or build forts out of pillows,

1:24.6

or if you're me, you write long chapter books about best friends

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