Listen Again: Why you are not what you do with Maria Bowler

Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Kate Bowler

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.8 • 5.1K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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During our summer break, we are re-airing some of our favorite episodes! In a world that constantly demands more—more work, more achievement, more hustle—how do we learn to pause? Kate sits down with her sister Maria Bowler, a writer, creativity coach, and spiritual director, to talk about the pressures of the “producer self,” that voice inside us all that equates our worth with what we do, fix, or achieve. This conversation is an invitation to live differently—to embrace rest, love, and the sacredness of simply being. For the overachievers, the caregivers, and the deeply tired (you know who you are): you are already enough. In this conversation, Kate and Maria discuss: How to see one another (and ourselves) through a lens of love How to give yourself permission to rest and procrastinate The difference between meaningful work and the hustle that leaves us hollow If you liked this episode, you’ll also love: Oliver Burkeman: New Year, Same Me Liz Gilbert: Why Your Creativity Matters Emma Gannon: The Butterfly Era Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here or visiting katebowler.com/podcasts. Follow Kate on Instagram, Facebook, or X (formerly known as Twitter)—@katecbowler. Links to social pages and more available at linktr.ee/katecbowler. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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1:04.8	So how is your New Year's resolution going?
1:15.9	Oh, not good? Okay, well, then you're in the right place.
1:23.2	Today is all about letting ourselves off the hook with always getting better, better, better, and instead set a new pace for our lives.
1:28.3	This is everything happens, and I'm Kate Bowler.
1:32.7	Today I'm talking with a talented writer, a creativity coach, a retreat leader.
1:38.5	She is a beautiful redhead and yes, I'm speaking about her in a very weirdly personal way because, hey,
1:45.0	it's my sister, Maria Bowler.
1:48.2	Maria is my childhood partner in crime.
1:52.4	She is someone I have put upside down in a sleeping bag and forced to crawl up the stairs.
1:56.8	And she is brilliant and so funny.
2:00.4	And she works really hard at understanding the intersection between hustle and grace.
2:07.7	She wrote a gorgeous brand new book called Making Time,
2:12.6	a new vision for crafting a life beyond productivity,
2:16.2	which will leave us all feeling a little kinder toward ourselves,
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