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Hi. How are you?

Good. How's it going?

It's going well. Do you might have asked how old you are?

32.

You're 32.

Okay, so I, people, I wondered if people that are listening and my fans, I'll be like, wait, why would you have that guy on?

You know, like I'm about female empowerment and a lot of women listen and moms and, you know, I have a responsibility

to them. And I was thinking as I was walking that you have an intriguing story, even if it's

a cautionary tale for someone who could end up being smarter by realizing some of the things that

you were accused of or, you know, also I believe in, like, letting someone come here and tell their story and not, like, setting up a trap. Like, I've been on shows where I walk in and they act like they're excited to have me and then I come on and then they're like, just like, it's just to make me look like, look, you know, bad. And it's just not either of those things. You're a guest. I respect that. But I want you to be really honest

and I want us to really get into this because I think it's an interesting story. So are you cool with that? Yeah, love how straight to the point you are. Thanks for having me. So let's have some fun and see what we can do. Okay. So you're 32. Are you close to your parents? I kind of grew up in New Jersey outside the city, but lived in New York since I was 18, except for my four-year jail vacation.

So you had a jail vacation. Where was that?

All over. I kept getting in trouble, but mostly outside of Detroit, Michigan. So a little bit of ways away from New York.

So were you a kid that was always getting

in trouble? Like at school, were you always sort of like getting disciplined and sent to the

principal? Always an entrepreneur. I started my first business in seventh grade and had three

full-time employees and got in trouble when one of them sent me an invitation for his wedding.

And my parents were like, why is this grown man. I didn't go him get married. So they'd go over. Oh, wow. Okay. And were you, were you, were you, did you come from a wealthy family? Uh, like, you know, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle class, like New Jersey suburbs. So, so. I get it. You didn't want for anything, but like, you weren't rich, right? The parents weren't driving Ferraris. Yeah, wasn't crazy.

Got it. Okay, but you went on vacations. You had a decent normal childhood. For sure. Yeah.

So tried to obviously push the boundaries a little bit myself past that. Right. And so where did you go to

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