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Welcome to the occult's rejects.

On this episode, I got a packed house, and it's a very, very special episode, actually, for me.

I got Lisa on with us, as usual.

We got William Ramsey joining us, another guest I love having on.

And I got my man, J.J. Vance, as usual with me, especially when we're talking about true crime.

Today we got a very, very special guest, two of them.

We have John Ray and his assistant Lena.

If people don't know, and I do have a lot of new listeners now, so maybe they

don't even know that I covered Gilgo Beach myself a few months ago, but John Ray is associated with,

you know, the Gilgo Beach, I guess murders. He's been around it. He's probably knows more than

the average person would about these cases.

And he has, I guess, my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong, you kind of got a team put together,

then you're kind of starting to look at some things that I think either law enforcement and other people are just blindly missing it or not looking at it.

I don't know.

But it seems like you've kind of been doing your own research and you're presenting your own findings. And I found what you did recently very intriguing.

It caught me a little bit off guard, actually. But I am not like other true crime channels out there.

I think everybody should be a suspect until they're cleared so I don't have a problem

looking at family members you know just for me maybe I'm just built different I just

there's no no reason that so uh I did want to get you on because it even does seem like a

kind of a controversial opinion even though I don't think it is for me.

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