I'm Andrew Beck Grace, co-host of the NPR podcast White Lies.

They're not being held because they're charged with a crime.

These people are being indefinitely detained.

You can't just keep these people in jail until they die.

On the new season of White Lies, a story about immigration and definite detention in the search for a secret list.

Listen to the White Lies podcast from NPR.

Mopech, Audia.

Thank you for joining us on this special episode of Lisk, Long Island's serial killer.

Recently, I got on a call with Jamie of the Murderish podcast and we had a great discussion about Lisk.

We talked theories, new evidence, a bit about what we're hoping for in season 2,

and I also shared some of what I think when it comes to this whole expanse of case

that I've spent so much time on over the past three years.

And no, this is a COVID recording and not our normal setup.

So please forgive any minor sound and consistencies you might hear.

Also, if you don't know the Murderish podcast, go take a listen.

Jamie is an amazing lady who knows true crime and does a great job covering.

Plus, she discusses some cases you normally don't find out there.

So look for Murderish wherever you listen to podcasts.

Lastly, a quick request.

To help the show and help others find us,

please rate, review, and spread the word.

Thank you.

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