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Hey everyone, welcome back to another season of 9-5-ish.

We are so excited to learn from more amazing women leaders.

And this season is going to be a little different because we've all had a moment in our careers where things felt impossible.

Or we had to make a life-changing decision that could impact the rest of our careers, our business, or our personal lives.

So this season we are asking each of our guests about the single hardest thing they've ever done in their careers.

But we don't want to spoil it too much.

We hope you love listening to this new season of 9-5-ish. Now let's get to the episode.

I mean, I've gotten pretty decent at telling other people's stories, but when it comes to advocating for myself, for negotiating for myself, for standing up for myself, it's really still challenging.

I'm Carly Zaken, and I'm Danielle Weisberg.

Welcome to 9-5-ish with the skin.

We've run into so many questions over the years and had so many moments where we needed advice and we got it from women who'd been there.

And that's what we're bringing you with this show.

Each week we're helping you get what you want out of your career by talking to the smartest leaders we know.

Because we know your work life is a lot more than 9-5.

Alright, let's get into it.

Hi everyone.

Today our guest is award-winning journalist and producer Lisa Ling.

Most journalists go to college first and then hit the newsroom, but that was not Lisa's path.

Lisa started her journalism career when she was a teenager working on a new show called Scratch.

Since then, she's worked her way up the journalism ladder from co-hosting the view to literally reporting from North Korea.

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