Hi, I'm Zibi Owens, and you're listening to the Webby-nominated podcast, Moms don't have time to read books.

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how to support your teen,

stay close as a family,

and raise independent adults.

They are the co-creators of Grown and the number one community site for parents with teens and college students, reaching millions of parents every month.

Mary Dell previously worked in TV and media, while Lisa had a career on Wall Street and in politics and writing. Lisa is a New York Times best-selling author of three books, including Goldman Sachs, the culture of success. They live with their husbands and families in the New York City area. So welcome to Lisa and Mary Dell. Thanks so much for coming on. Mom's Don't have time to read books. Thank you for having us. We really appreciate it. Not only did

I really enjoy your book, but I have to say I don't usually follow Facebook groups. And the

grown and flown Facebook group is like the only one that I read all the time and get like

emotional about and I'm attached to. So I don't know. Just wanted to throw that out there. So I feel

like I already had this like natural sort of gratitude towards you for creating that sort of space for everybody. It's been a big surprise. I think a lot of parents have a lot of questions and they don't know people in their real life to ask those questions. And the group is functioning in a way that fills a role that isn't in their real life.

Many times, I'm sure you see this, people are asking questions, and I think they don't know

anyone in their real life who has that situation.

But the group's got about maybe 125,000 parents in it.

A few more.

A few more.

And when you go into a group that large, other people will have had whatever experience you're

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