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From Washington, D.C. This is Lexicon Valley, a podcast about language.

I'm Bob Garfield with Mike Folo, and today, episode number 65, a new installment of linguophile,

wherein we discuss a mystery word or phrase with lexicographer Ben Zimmer.

Hey, Mikey. Hey, Bobby. How you doing, buddy? Splendid, thank you, in your own self. I'm great. I'm great. You and Ben are together in the same room, I understand. Yeah, this is only the second time I've actually seen the man face to face. And, you know, it's, well, it's a delight. It's a good-looking mug. Yeah. Well, I have to say it is always a pleasure to share studio space with the illustrious Mr. Garfield.

All right. Enough about him. What's our, what's our clue for the week?

Okay, we've got a new word, and here's your clue. It's a four-syllable word.

It's a hyphenated word.

And it also rhymes with a famous New York City musical landmark.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Musical Radio City, but that's not four syllables.

It rhymes with, though.

Yeah, okay.

So it could be...

Nitty-gritty-gritty.

Bum.

Sounded like he was on the right track.

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