The episode you're about to listen to was released back when the mere Christians podcast was called the call to mastery

Now if you love mere Christians, you're still going to love these older episodes because the majority of each

conversation focuses on how the gospel influences the work of our guests. With that disclaimer out of the way, please enjoy the episode.

Hey everybody, welcome to the call to mastery. I'm Jordan Rayner. This is a

podcast for Christians who want to do their most exceptional work for the glory of

God and the good of others.

Every week I'm bringing you a conversation with somebody who loves Jesus

and also loves their career in his pursuing world-class mastery of their craft. We're talking about each guest's path

to mastery, their daily habits, and how their faith influences their work.

Hey, as you guys know, some of our most popular episodes have been with people who are world

class at what they do, but not at all world famous.

And I'm bringing you another one of those episodes today with

Lindsay Ray one of my wife's best friends since college she's a masterful nurse

practitioner exceptional what she does as measured by her peers as well as my own

personal experience. Back in December, Lindsay actually sent me to the emergency room. That was fun.

Fun fact, Lindsay and I actually discovered a few years ago that

were related like 10 years after she and I met we figured this out. Some weird

long-distance cousins, I don't know, Can't even remember the full story. But

Lindsay and I recently sat down in the very unglamorous setting of my closet at home

while she and her family were in town for the weekend.

We talked about why your obedient absence

from your kids may be better than your disobedient

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