Welcome to a special recording of the Dispatch podcast because we're all together.

It's Sarah Isger, Jonah Goldberg, Steve Hayes, and David French.

Plenty to talk about as politics heats up once again in the fall.

We have Lindsey Graham introducing a 15-week national ban on abortion.

Was it good politics for Republicans?

And we have Florida Governor Ron DeSantis chartering two planes to drop off illegal aliens to

Martha's Vineyard, a troll or just policy that makes sense.

And I'm sure we'll touch on some other subjects along the way before we get to not worth your time.

Let's celebrate it. Let's start with the Lindsey Graham bill that was introduced.

David, can you run us through a little bit of the details?

I mean, look, Lindsey Graham has been introducing abortion bands.

When I say abortion bands like 20-week abortion bands, this has been a Republican policy for

a long time to introduce in the Senate late-term abortion bands and in the Senate in the House.

The only real change here is that the move from 20 weeks to 15 weeks.

Now, to put this in some context, the polling indicates that late-term abortion bands,

including 15-week abortion bands, are really pretty popular with people.

That the sort of the sweet spot of public opinion and the abortion argument.

And this is something that for somebody like me, has been a pro-life lawyer for a very,

very long time. An uncomfortable fact for me is the abortion bands that I favor tend not to be

popular. The abortion bands, a 15-week band or a late-term band, a 20-week band, they tend to be

popular. And so when you have an abortion argument in this country, what you often have is an argument

between two competing unpopular positions. The hardcore pro-choice position, which is abortion

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