Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs

of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran who got to retire early

from the 2006 ringtone royalty gold rush or else a scrappy upstart. With a song that has been

streamed over 10 million times but still can't pay your phone bill, this is your show because

ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an iron clad excuse to put off, actually writing.

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