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Overthink

Limerence

Overthink

Ellie Anderson, Ph.D. and David Peña-Guzmán, Ph.D.

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Education

4.7549 Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Why does falling for someone so often feel like a painful obsession? In episode 144 of Overthink, Ellie and David discuss the unspoken difficulties of limerence, or the state of falling in love. What is the difference between love and limerence, and why do we confuse them so frequently? How does social media fuel limerent reactions? And is limerence inherently selfish? They discuss how limerence can be formative to our personal identities, whether a limerent object has ethical obligations to those who obsess over them, and how modern dating norms might direct us all towards limerence rather than love. In the Substack bonus segment, your hosts get into the relationship between self-worth and limerence and whether it’s possible to have reciprocal limerence.


Works Discussed:

Tom Bellamy, Smitten: Romantic obsession, the neuroscience of limerence, and how to make love last

Stendhal, On Love

Dorothy Tennov, Love and Limerence: The Experience of Being in Love

Crazy Ex-Girlfriend (2015-2019)


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Overthink.

0:19.6

The podcast where two philosophers explain the theoretical dimensions of your pain and suffering.

0:25.6

I'm David Pena Guzman.

0:26.6

And I'm Ellie Anderson.

0:28.6

The French author Stendhal wrote a personal collection of essays about the experience of being in love.

0:35.6

It's very creatively titled On Love, Delamour.

0:40.5

And in these writings, he reflects on the experience of loving somebody

0:44.5

while knowing that they may never love you back.

0:48.2

You know, not a great place to be,

0:50.1

but maybe it's a place where a lot of us have found ourselves

0:53.1

at some point in our lives.

0:54.9

And it turns out that he was inspired by his own life in thinking about this.

1:01.2

So it turns out that he in the 1800s was obsessed with this Italian woman named Matilde Viscontini Dombowski.

1:10.3

And long story short, she was just not into him at all, which caused him to obsess more and more and more about her,

1:19.5

so much so that he ended up writing a whole book about the passions of love and obsession and infatuation.

1:27.1

Actually, on that point, so I was really into this

1:29.7

book in college. Oh, really? Because there's a whole section, Cures for Love. And I think I actually

1:34.4

read an excerpted version of the book that was like a mini book called Cures for Love. It's like,

1:39.7

I need this. And, you know, I don't really remember whether it actually helped me get over things or not. But I didn't know that there was that. I didn't know there was that biographical background. Poor guy. Yeah. I mean, that's why it's like it's like the figure of the tortured author pouring his heart out in writing. And in the book, he talks about how lovers tend to idealize the love object.

2:03.6

And he uses a term for that process of idealization.

2:06.6

He calls it crystallization.

2:09.6

And that is a reference to a natural process.

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