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Mark Carruthers speaks to Jayne McCormack, Sam McBride and behavioural economist Prof Pete Lunn about different strategies to move out of lockdown.
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| 0:00.0 | There is a lot of talk about easing lockdown and charting pathways to recovery. |
| 0:06.0 | Joe Biden is at it, Boris Johnson is at it, so to our Miho, Martin, Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill, and it's clearly not easy. |
| 0:14.0 | So today we're going to take a snapshot of where we are on that journey and how things are likely to unfold in the months ahead. |
| 0:20.0 | And we'll flag up some of the many challenges our politicians and policymakers will have to |
| 0:24.4 | deal with as we try to make our way towards that promised light at the end of the COVID |
| 0:29.5 | tunnel. Jane, can we say for sure we're at the beginning of the end? |
| 0:34.4 | I'm going to avoid that phrase that a lot of our politicians like to use that, you know, being at the end of the beginning. No, we can't. We're going to avoid that phrase that a lot of our politicians like to use that, you know, |
| 0:38.0 | being at the end of the beginning. No, we can't. We're hopefully a bit closer now that the vaccine |
| 0:43.6 | is in play, but obviously with these new variants that have been talked about, that kind of puts a lot |
| 0:47.9 | in doubt. And I think the difficulty is that with all this talk about roadmaps and pathways, |
| 0:53.1 | we know that we've learned a lot around coronavirus, |
| 0:56.4 | often that all of those plans can quickly come undone |
| 0:59.2 | because there's so much uncertainty still. |
| 1:01.1 | Jane says news, Sam, what do you think? |
| 1:02.8 | I think she's fundamentally correct. |
| 1:04.5 | I think, though, I'm certainly feeling a bit more cheerful |
| 1:06.8 | about things right now. |
| 1:08.0 | The vaccine is a genuinely good news story |
| 1:10.3 | in what has been a pretty grim |
| 1:11.6 | period between the outworkings of Brexit and the Irish sea border, COVID, lockdown, etc. There is a real |
| 1:18.9 | sense here that there is genuine hope, not false hope, around the corner. The weather's about to |
| 1:24.3 | improve. That will be not just good for all of us for our mental health |
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